Experience VS CC's

[V4]

I am sure that what I am writing will p I s s some people off but just remember that we should agree to disagree and that it is only my opinion.
Ever since I have joined M4E, I have come to a harsh reality. It seems to me that the years of riding experience vs the CC’s and horsepower we sit on are very un-balance. Is it just me or does it seem that most people think, that after they have done a multiple choice exam and a couple of hours riding in a course, that they can handle just about any bike they choose! The reality of these machines is lost because they are built so much better then before. We hear people say that they are stable, forgiving or it’s not fast enough, not enough horsepower. Yes, we buy them for the speed, the look, the image, what ever you want to add.
Should you not learn to crawl before you can walk?
Do you really think it makes sense to buy a bike now that is not designed for beginners and you will feel comfortable on in three years? I love it when I hear “ I will take it easy” Yeah right!
It is a lack of responsibility for your saftey and others.
The question I ask is, can you really handle it? The answer you will say, YES I can!

[Miss Landry]

I started with a '99 ZX6R in 2002 when I had my "temporary" lisences, at 17 years old, rode it again in 2003 for 14,000 kms, (learned a lot) and all this same summer, with 2 accidents in mai...

Then I had my car accident at christmas 2003 that made me unable ("un-allowed") to ride for 1 year Sold it in mai this year (2004)

It was planed that i'd only buy an other one this spring, but in october, I had a deal that passed under my nose where I work, My father works also there, When he told me about the deal I was like dad, I used to have a 600... not a 900.

Then he said : Well you where good at riding my RC51, the R1 I had before that, you started with my old 750 turbo gpz in 2002, the cb900 I brought home one night, Brenda's TL1000s, you rode a yzf1000 '96, Dont worry daughter, I'm sure it'll be all good, you can handle this easilly!

Since then, it kinda reassure me, but my mind was to buy a cbr 600rr or an R6, Seems like it'll be this sweet 900cbr '99 !

But I agree with you and you might even say that i do, but some people upgrade way too fast in their progression...

[RdKetchup]

At this point, I would like to re-post a good link on choosing a 1000cc+ bike as a first bike:

http://svrider.com/articles/apr03/busa.htm

[HRC-E.B.]

Good effort there, but this is stirring a debate that has seemingly been going on forever...

There is more to the cc thing then just your age and experience. Of course you can survive with a big bike when starting out (your chances of survival may not be as good, since it'll bite your ass quite a bit more roughly when you make your inevitable mistakes), but the whole point is not just about surviving.

I survived my two first years on big bikes mainly because I was riding like a wuss (most of the time; I am now being lured into the pleasures of the dark side...), not going fast, not twisting the handle, not turning quickly, not braking hard... If you are using your big bike as a tool for posing, it's not as dangerous (it still is dangerous, mind you and one miscue on your part will be severely penalized), but is that all that there is to it?

With about 30,000 Km of experience now (it is not a lot, but it's been enough in a condensed period of time to help me realize a lot of things), I can tell you that the main problem with a big bike is that it's just not as easy to learn on. Why? Because you are affraid of the power (and you should be!) so you don't know how far to push it (and if you are the least bit intelligent or have a bit of self-preservation instinct, you will usually linger towards "not enough" instead of "too much"), because you are affraid of dinging your beautiful bike, and because it is simply not as easys to handle (it reacts more abruptly, it makes a big deal of everything). Not a good learning tool. I now realize that I would have learned maybe twice as much had I had a GS500 or an EX500 instead of my GSX-R5750 and RC51, because I could have explored more with those two bikes.

And I am not even getting into the "cost" argument... Gee! That, in and of itself, should be enough to steer newbies away from big bikes...

I am sure a lot of people will pitch into this to keep this everlasting debate alive... Let the good times roll...

[V4]

Envoyé par RdKetchup

At this point, I would like to re-post a good link on choosing a 1000cc+ bike as a first bike:

http://svrider.com/articles/apr03/busa.htm

Thanks Seb! If only everyone thought thay way!

[V4]

Envoyé par HRC-E.B.

Good effort there, but this is stirring a debate that has seemingly been going on forever...

I am sure a lot of people will pitch into this to keep this everlasting debate alive... Let the good times roll...

You are right HRC-E-B. The debate will probably never end. If I can only convince one person to re-think, it will be worth it for me.
Like Racerdude said in one post, "This is advice being served on a silver plater." What you choose to do with it is your responsibility.

[racerdude413]

I survived my two first years on big bikes mainly because I was riding like a wuss (most of the time; I am now being lured into the pleasures of the dark side...), not going fast, not twisting the handle, not turning quickly, not braking hard... If you are using your big bike as a tool for posing, it's not as dangerous (it still is dangerous, mind you and one miscue on your part will be severely penalized), but is that all that there is to it?

To me thats the biggest issue, people think surviving and not falling off a bike is "riding" . I know there is a lot more to it then that, the problem is that people that dont ride dont know that, and the even bigger problem, is that a bunch of people that do ride dont know that , so when they suggest a new bike for a non-rider, they actually think they are giving good advice because they think that what they are doing is riding (but i wouldnt call whatever they do "riding").

I dont like to just ride my bike, i like to understand what im doing, not just repetitive motion, concentrating on making every corner perfect, i can do that on any bike, even the XR100 in my back yard. Anyone can go thru the motion, but thats just not enough for me, i want to be as perfect as possible.

[chaosExpanding]

Je suppose que ça revient aussi à la personnalité de chacun. Plusieurs gens qui ont posté ici me semblent être des passionnés, des gens qui veulent avoir l'expérience totale de la moto. Ça implique souvent de mettre son égo de côté, ce que plusieurs gens ici ne sont pas prêts à faire. C'est le même raisonnement qui s'applique partout : si je suis débutant en snowboard, je n'irai pas dans les pistes pour expert dès le départ. Je vais commencer par les pistes familiales et progresser lentement... Pourquoi est-ce que c'est si dur à comprendre ?

Logiquement, je ne vois pas d'autre façon de rouler, mais j'ai fini par comprendre que ce n'était pas tout le monde qui pense comme ça. Je remercie d'ailleurs ces gens de faire tant de beaux vidéos spectaculaires à downloader sur le net quand ils se plantent et de nous fournir tant de pièces de rechange toute neuves, à peine échappées par terre... Pour certains, l'instinct de survie n'est pas aussi fort que chez les autres. C'est pas moi qui l'a inventé, c'est Charles Darwin.

[Miss Landry]

Envoyé par chaosExpanding

Je suppose que ça revient aussi à la personnalité de chacun. Plusieurs gens qui ont posté ici me semblent être des passionnés, des gens qui veulent avoir l'expérience totale de la moto. Ça implique souvent de mettre son égo de côté, ce que plusieurs gens ici ne sont pas prêts à faire. C'est le même raisonnement qui s'applique partout : si je suis débutant en snowboard, je n'irai pas dans les pistes pour expert dès le départ. Je vais commencer par les pistes familiales et progresser lentement... Pourquoi est-ce que c'est si dur à comprendre ?

J'ai été parmis les premières a poster ici, rouler tout une saison avec une moto graffignée des 2 cotés, front fearing cassé qui tiens avec du duck tape, ensemble de cuir qui tiens aussi avec le DTape.. c'est pas mettre son égo de côté dis-moi ?

[chaosExpanding]

Miss Landry, quand je parlais d' "ici", je ne parlais pas de ce sujet, je parlais du forum en général